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Heather's avatar

Not always a Merve Emre head, but I loved the Susan Taubes piece. The best writing about literature makes me want to write--I finished and pulled out my notebook. Sometimes Emre leans on her own prose in a way that feels obfuscatory of ideas or arguments that haven’t been fully cooked or, when scrutinized, reveal fault lines of imprecision, but I thought this showed an exhaustive amount of thought and background reading and the prose was absolutely earned and very satisfying.

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I appreciated the Marvel piece, mainly because a) I enjoy "how the media sausage gets made" pieces in general and b) I loathe most superhero movies and in particular Marvel movies and especially the insistence by some fans that they have some kind of deeper meaning.* Maybe this was projection, but I sensed a strong frustration on the author's part that he wasn't able to get anyone who'd actively participated in a Marvel project to say anything substantive, much less critical. It's all, "boy do I love doing Marfel movies" from people whom I'm 100% sure have more nuanced thoughts on the subject but obviously can't bit the hand that feeds. I'd love to hear Timothee Chalamet's personal explanation for why he's rejected Marvel roles (as mentioned in the article) but joined Dune as the lead. How does an A-lister who came down on the side of not signing up with Marvel weigh the costs and benefits of becoming a superhero differently than his peers? How does he see it as different from another SFF franchise?

Defensive postscript: This isn't about bashing comics or "nerd culture" -- as if Marvel even counts as that anymore. I love comics, including very, very dumb shonen manga series that have less "redeeming" artistic & literary value than many American superhero comics. I never got into those -- I think you have to learn how to read them at a young age, and I learned how to read manga instead and still get confused / bored with US-style panel layouts. It's also not about bashing movies that aren't, like, sufficiently sophisticated or artsy or highbrow. I just prefer action movies & thrillers that are honest about their purpose, manage to produce actual narrative tension, contain memorable and/or beautiful action sequences, have a distinctive aesthetic, and offer some kind of idiosyncrasy / originality. John Wick 5 is just as silly as Marvel, but it manages to do all of the above in spades.

*e.g., "They're about trauma" -- every story that includes substantial violence can be said to be "about" "trauma", guys. That doesn't mean it has anything interesting or original or even coherent to say about the subject. Most Marvel movies are dramatically less interesting on the subject of violence and its consequences (and relatedly empire, resistance, etc.) and than, say, Avater the Last Airbender, an actual kid's show. (Incidentally, they are also less visually compelling.)

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